Curse

Perishiko ReLLiK · Jun 27, 2005, 05:50 AM // 05:50

The bots need to be stopped. I was going to send a report with a few screenshots of people (bots) that wouldnt respond, but there was some sort of thing that said "What to do about bots"... blah blah... it didnt help and didnt state what i should do, so i figured the next best thing would be to come to a popular forum that i use, and suggest change.

I followed the same path going from suggested area's on various forums. The one i found out about tonight was seekers passage, ring a bell? Ya... you can't even walk around, and it's quite hard to make it outside... I myself didn't even go outside to go after those talked about chests (fear that maybe even i'd be seen as a bot, wow...)... seems quite outrageous to me that these people will do such things...

It actually pisses me off to see the outrageous numbers of people doing this...

I myself am ready for any action that needs to be taken to clear up this mess. I wouldn't mind a simple picture that i need to identify before coming into town... but i also wouldnt like it much... quite a problem.

I am for one sick of these things, and i hoped inside that perhaps since items and such are not needed to have fun in the pvp, that maybe, just maybe... the bots wouldnt be so bad in this game... but wow, people have been sure to prove me completely wrong.

100's of accounts are going to soon be 1,000's of accounts... do these idiots expect to never get caught, i mean... they don't respond, and run the same path through town... sure it's an instance... but you have to get to the instance first. I just don't understand why someone would pay the money for a game, accept an agreement... and go out and do things like this...

Does it help their self esteem to sell things online, or have what the "elite" or "power-gamers" have? Are they really so shallow, and sad inside? (because there's nothing competitive that they're really going to gain out of this...), heck... even the superior runes have their downfall of -75 health, so only one-two max per character can be effective... and what do they do when they unlock everything (besides of course the fall of the economy at a fast rate...)?

If i were on the team of anet, and wasnt as busy... shoot, i'd have fun just seeing if people respond, as i'm sure they can have something special in their in game name, such as "Anet, or symbols not aquired by other means (besides a little hack up into the system i'm sure...)... and i would be banning accounts left and right... i feel so helpless not being able to stomp my boot on the floor at this.

DarrenJasper · Jun 27, 2005, 06:28 AM // 06:28

It might be useful to your health not to get so worked up over something other people are doing that doesn't affect you.

But then, that does seem to be a trend these days, one that is hardly restricted to video games.

DrSLUGFly · Jun 27, 2005, 06:29 AM // 06:29

Help their self-esteem to sell things online? Dude, this is a business, and from what I've heard it's quite a lucrative one. One of my adult students tells me that people from here go to China and set up small private pc cafes where young people are paid peanuts to run and level characters for various games. In fact, an advertisement for one of these websites managed to survive on the forums here for about 5 minutes (this was around 3 hours ago) before being locked and then deleted. People do it cuz there's loads of money involved for very minimal work. They CAN do it because people are stupid enough to buy.

The way to stop them is to apply more pressure on those who buy, both legally via the EULA and socially via condemnation and belittling of the practice.

DarrenJasper · Jun 27, 2005, 06:37 AM // 06:37

I don't understand the issue here. It's not as though there is a finite amount of wealth and loot in GW and these people are taking from your pockets. Nor are they stealing mobs that you would be killing. You aren't going to be crushed in the arena by an eBay player. You don't even see this going on, and wouldn't be confronted with it at all if you didn't take such pains to seek it out.

I don't get it. I don't get how it affects you, especially how it is apparently affecting your blood pressure in such a profound way. Am I the only person not dogged at all times by imagined phantoms?

Garric · Jun 27, 2005, 06:48 AM // 06:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenJasper

I don't understand the issue here. It's not as though there is a finite amount of wealth and loot in GW and these people are taking from your pockets. Nor are they stealing mobs that you would be killing. You aren't going to be crushed in the arena by an eBay player. You don't even see this going on, and wouldn't be confronted with it at all if you didn't take such pains to seek it out.

I don't get it. I don't get how it affects you, especially how it is apparently affecting your blood pressure in such a profound way. Am I the only person not dogged at all times by imagined phantoms?

Ever heard of inflation?

You must be a THICK HEAD, if you do not realize if these bots continue that price of 100,000 gold on eBay will soon be worth $2, and anyone can buy it on eBay and become an instant millionaire. If you like having to buy gold online to compete, having a superior vigor rune being worth 2 million gold, go ahead.

AND SHUT UP I HATE YOU.

EmperorTippy · Jun 27, 2005, 06:54 AM // 06:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garric

Ever heard of inflation?

You must be a THICK HEAD, if you do not realize if these bots continue that price of 100,000 gold on eBay will soon be worth $2, and anyone can buy it on eBay and become an instant millionaire. If you like having to buy gold online to compete, having a superior vigor rune being worth 2 million gold, go ahead.

AND SHUT UP I HATE YOU.

Sheesh. Someone has their panties in a wad.

Edge Martinez · Jun 27, 2005, 07:12 AM // 07:12

Just worry about your own fun dude. If you want something cool, just go find it. I could give a rodent's posterior about how rich other people are. It makes no difference to me. I've finished the game, have almost half a million exp and have maybe just 3K in gold to my name.

As far as bots go? As long as the lag goes away, I don't care how many of them people use. Me personally though, I bought the game to play and enjoy, not have some chinese guy in a cafe play it.

Besides, I'd be a hypocrit to criticize other people when one of my favorite things to do is go to Fissure over and over and over again.

DrSLUGFly · Jun 27, 2005, 07:33 AM // 07:33

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Originally Posted by Garric

You must be a THICK HEAD ...
AND SHUT UP I HATE YOU.

Dude... come on... we're here to collectively address a problem. If he doesn't see why it's a problem then explain your view in a good way. NOBODY is going to remember anything out of your post other than what I quoted. Talk nice and people listen, talk rude and people don't like you.

Aaaaagh · Jun 27, 2005, 07:34 AM // 07:34

Perishiko, why do you find it difficult to make it out of town? And why is it hard to walk around?

My rant about economy (which has to do with bots):

Go take a look at the trade forum, its unreal. Why are you mucktards paying so much for this crap? Let me tell you why, your a moron thats why. Yes, your stupid, and I will enlighten you. Most of the junk going for 80k+ is WORSE then the stuff you get from vendors. I really need to start selling this junk to you, because your just so unbelievably stupid to be buying it.

I keep saying this trend will die, but its not.. Stop buying weapons, they are NOT worth it. There are a few weapons with really good mods that are going to go for alot, but all this trash thats not even as good as the collectors....

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=25260

Check out that sword there, starting bid 100k. And it's WORSE than a collectors sword! Unreal, you can get a longsword with a cool graphic that has 15% damage while enchanted. A 29 pommel goes for about 25k, and the 3/1 goes for 10kish. Everyone knows the vampiric stuff is junk anyhow, and you can get a 25 hp pommel (4 less health, ooowwweee) for 8k.

So, you get the collectors sword, which takes you about 10 minutes. You spend 8k for a hp pommel, and then put a hilt on it that will actually help you. Saves you around 90k.

Farmer · Jun 27, 2005, 09:32 AM // 09:32

YES! KILL THE BOTS!

We the farmers farm with our very hands day by day, and those lazy punks use AI to collect money while they're sleeping and relaxing? Not fair!

Porkchop Sandwhiches · Jun 27, 2005, 09:37 AM // 09:37

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Originally Posted by Garric

AND SHUT UP I HATE YOU.

With a post like that it's only a matter of time until this gets locked!

Ashley Twig · Jun 27, 2005, 01:26 PM // 13:26

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Originally Posted by DrSLUGFly

They CAN do it because people are stupid enough to buy.

I think that's the actuall scary part. People are buying.
I read a statistic on the internet that sais, that about 10% of people, who get spam, actually buy the stuff being advertised.

It's like that StevenSegal Character sais in "on deadly ground": As long as people make profit by doing bad things, why would they stop?

They only thing, that can make people stop is, if others stop buying their stuff for overrated prices.

As far as I recall, I never sold any item so far. I once trade a Warrior Rune for a Ranger Rune. And a few days ago, I gave away an elementalist's rune for free, because I liked the person.

DarrenJasper · Jun 27, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garric

Ever heard of inflation?

You must be a THICK HEAD, if you do not realize if these bots continue that price of 100,000 gold on eBay will soon be worth $2, and anyone can buy it on eBay and become an instant millionaire. If you like having to buy gold online to compete, having a superior vigor rune being worth 2 million gold, go ahead.

AND SHUT UP I HATE YOU.

Believe me, I will always sympathize with directionless rage, but I think you overestimate the willingness of the average gamer to put real money towards this game beyond what he's already spent at EB. Try mentioning monthly fees and watch the lynch mobs form on your lawn. A few dumb noobs buying cash that they will probably end up blowing on pennywhistles and beer is not going to send the economy into a tailspin.

Dumachum · Jun 27, 2005, 05:09 PM // 17:09

How about the fact that it's kind of....wrong?

And what gives you the right to horde imaginary currency or commodity (that doesn't actually belong to you) and sell it?

It's like back in the day when EQ first launched and the end game material was so sparse that nearly EVERYTHING, LGuk, SolB, etc was locked up tight by Ebay farmers who would downright **** you over if you tried to "move in on their propery". I remember trying to do trades to get a SSoY and a FBSS and other gear because getting them the "legit way" was impossible. i couldn;t even trade for them though because the ecnomy was so degenerated to the point where no one wanted anything for trade except other high profile gear that was being farmed 24/7 by Ebay farmers.

There is another group of people in this world that run business nearly the same way, and it's called the Mafia. If you can't see and aknowledge the probelm, then you need to be castrated. You are never going to be a help to any world, real or fake. you will always be a detractor.

"I don't know why people have probems with things that don't concern them". Oh please. You make me sick.

Nokomis · Jun 27, 2005, 05:42 PM // 17:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garric

Ever heard of inflation?

You must be a THICK HEAD, if you do not realize if these bots continue that price of 100,000 gold on eBay will soon be worth $2, and anyone can buy it on eBay and become an instant millionaire. If you like having to buy gold online to compete, having a superior vigor rune being worth 2 million gold, go ahead.

AND SHUT UP I HATE YOU.

Oh yeah, well YOU shut up. And stop touching me. And stay on your OWN side. So THERE. Nyaaahh.

LOL Garric. Bad day or just making a joke?

--Nokomis

Nokomis · Jun 27, 2005, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Don't a lot of bots muck up the servers or something? I don't know a lot about how these things work, but it seems like it would HAVE to be a drain on A-net hardware and therefore impact the real gameplayers.

--Nokomis

Theus · Jun 27, 2005, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Why don't they simply move the chest?

It would be alot simpler wouldn't it?

DarrenJasper · Jun 27, 2005, 06:54 PM // 18:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dumachum

How about the fact that it's kind of....wrong?

And what gives you the right to horde imaginary currency or commodity (that doesn't actually belong to you) and sell it?

It's like back in the day when EQ first launched and the end game material was so sparse that nearly EVERYTHING, LGuk, SolB, etc was locked up tight by Ebay farmers who would downright **** you over if you tried to "move in on their propery". I remember trying to do trades to get a SSoY and a FBSS and other gear because getting them the "legit way" was impossible. i couldn;t even trade for them though because the ecnomy was so degenerated to the point where no one wanted anything for trade except other high profile gear that was being farmed 24/7 by Ebay farmers.

There is another group of people in this world that run business nearly the same way, and it's called the Mafia. If you can't see and aknowledge the probelm, then you need to be castrated. You are never going to be a help to any world, real or fake. you will always be a detractor.

"I don't know why people have probems with things that don't concern them". Oh please. You make me sick.

Glad to hear it.

Sadly, if that comparison was a man, his bones would snap in a weak breeze. EQ was not instanced, eBay farming was actually a problem because equipment entered the world at a fixed rate that they monopolized. As I pointed out in my post (which it seems like you only skimmed) an instanced world like in Guild Wars means no one can muscle you off their turf, so that argument is worthless. And on a side note, the early economy of EQ was not nearly as horrid as you describe - I don't remember eBay farming becoming a tangible problem until right before Kunark, at the earliest. Most of those people were just hardcore players, as I'm betting most of your "botters" are, and you're just seeing what you want to see.

As for the "but it's WRONG!!!" facet of your defense: I will never, ever sympathize with or support interfering with other people based on blind idealism. What gives you the right? Oh right, nothing.

john little · Jun 27, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Whatever games companies do it will still happen as long as there is a demand. I personally can't really see the point as stuff in GW is pretty easy to come by (especially compared to most MMO's) and I'd guess that the people that buy stuff/use bots have a history from other MMORPGs of doing the same.

The only thing that affects me is the inflation on some products from the traders. I'm sure that if this becomes too much of an issue anet can alter the supply/demand curve accordingly.

Botting and buying gold with $ is bad, m'kay. But it happens and isn't likely to go away any time soon. Just be glad that it affects you personally far less than in many MMO's.

Perishiko ReLLiK · Jun 27, 2005, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaaaagh

Perishiko, why do you find it difficult to make it out of town? And why is it hard to walk around?

My rant about economy (which has to do with bots):

Go take a look at the trade forum, its unreal. Why are you mucktards paying so much for this crap? Let me tell you why, your a moron thats why. Yes, your stupid, and I will enlighten you. Most of the junk going for 80k+ is WORSE then the stuff you get from vendors. I really need to start selling this junk to you, because your just so unbelievably stupid to be buying it.

I keep saying this trend will die, but its not.. Stop buying weapons, they are NOT worth it. There are a few weapons with really good mods that are going to go for alot, but all this trash thats not even as good as the collectors....

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=25260

Check out that sword there, starting bid 100k. And it's WORSE than a collectors sword! Unreal, you can get a longsword with a cool graphic that has 15% damage while enchanted. A 29 pommel goes for about 25k, and the 3/1 goes for 10kish. Everyone knows the vampiric stuff is junk anyhow, and you can get a 25 hp pommel (4 less health, ooowwweee) for 8k.

So, you get the collectors sword, which takes you about 10 minutes. You spend 8k for a hp pommel, and then put a hilt on it that will actually help you. Saves you around 90k.

If you were on in that area last night, you'd see a million bots coming in, and straight out... it causes horrible lag in that zone, and inside of seekers passage. It was unbelievable at about 12:10-12:30 last night central time, before of course... i just got off to report a few of the screenshots. Then noticed they didnt want people to report... so i figured i'd start up a heated discussion regarding this situation on a forum, in which they actually like us to do... they like to see the communities response, and the way more then one person thinks about it.

Personaly, in the long run, i know... not think, but know this is going to trash the economy... i mean heck, all these people sleeping, using some program to run scripts just to open chests over and over, and sell all un-runed items to the merchant... that's a Ton of gold to be gotten, and i'm sure there's an easy script to run in order to put gold into your storage after you get 100k on your character.

I think an easier fix to this would be puting random spawn locations of something that knocks people down into that zone... it would be alot harder to make a script that has to avoid things (I don't know quite all the details in making these scripts, but to my knowledge, it's nearly impossible to go after random placed things.)

I think that chests and wreckages are already randomly placed (perhaps not in the heavely bot'd area's? but i don't know for sure, havent even checked these places out.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nokomis

Don't a lot of bots muck up the servers or something? I don't know a lot about how these things work, but it seems like it would HAVE to be a drain on A-net hardware and therefore impact the real gameplayers.

--Nokomis

Apart from anything anybody has said yet. That has to be the smartest response. And it's completely true. It puts a horrible strain on the servers, and well... it's going to be costing them more money in the long run. And with the thousands of people using bots, it seems like the numbers are growing...

Soon, my responses will be to find the websites, and people giving out these bots and letting them get downloaded... i will report them directly to anet.

Have a problem with that, and you're more then likely a scared bot user that doesnt want to be banned for life. Tough crapola.